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Khaganian Intrigue outfits

Hi,

A bit more detail on why I reverted your edit to the Khaganian Intrigue (Guide) article:

Outfit 2 in your list suggests using Shadowy or Persuasive 284 for time 4–12. However, during time 4–8 the only Shadowy/Persuasive options available have their difficulty increased by Taimen's Attention (Slip into a factory and Strike a conversation with a factory manager respectively). Thus, if Taimen's Attention is at 1 or higher, a stat of 284 is not enough to guarantee success during time 4–8 (I believe this is why the original version of the guide recommended using a BDR stat instead during this time).

Similarly, your outfit 4 uses Watchful 284 for time 1–4, but the only Watchful option during this time is Surveil the factories, which also has its difficulty increased by Taimen's Attention.

— RhialtoTheMarvellous (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @RhialtoTheMarvellous,

I understand that those circumstances constitute situations where the outfits would not be ideal. However, if someone started out with any one of those outfits, they would never fail a check and thus never raise Taimen's Attention. So I think it is an unnecessary limitation to only consider checks that are not influenced by Taimen's Attention. Discussion around ensuring success in Khaganian Intrigue has always centered around BDR and advanced stats, but there is a significant portion of the game where it would be easier to hit 284 in a main stat and some moderate BDR. I think that noting these outfit possibilities would be a net benefit to the community because of this.

Do you feel like this addresses your concern? If not, what do you think would do so? Perhaps we could add a note that some of these outfits will not work unless you start with no Taimen's Attention? Try.else.finally (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Taimen's Attention isn't just increase by failures, but also at the end of every successful Intrigue. A character trying to build Network Strength will end up with a few levels of Attention even if they can 100% pass every single check. PSGarak (talk) 20:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@PSGarak, @RhialtoTheMarvellous,

My mistake! As I did some additional formatting, please allow me the time to undo my edits manually. I will get to it within the day. Try.else.finally (talk) 22:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)